Gay and Post Gay Continued - The Conversation with Mak

Now, of course, we have to take into account - you can't have a Post Gay ethos without first dealing with the isolation that homosexual people have felt from "straight society" for thousands of years. If a group is referred to as "those poeple", the "love that dares not say its name", "sickos", "sinners who will burn in hell" - you can't very well expect everyone to have a happy time chatting together.

To move towards a Post Gay world, there has to be a fundamental shift in the "non-gay" world - so here is a conversation that I had with Mak this morning about whether or not to keep this thread going on the Blog. I am worried that people will think it is too restricting - that only gay people would be interested in this. But that is wrong - everyone should be interested in how we all learn to live as one group of people - one community.

So here is the conversation with Mak - post comments if you are of a mind to do so. Let me know if this conversation is interesting to you.

Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:45:22 AM): i was just trying to comment on your homosexual post
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:45:42 AM): did you like my post?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:45:56 AM): well, it's interesting Is this a current hot topic in the gay world then?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:46:18 AM): sorry, i am going to use gay ‘cause its quicker
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:46:18 AM): in parts of it yes
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:46:59 AM): but maybe it is too restricting for the blog
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:47:21 AM): looking at it from a SL perspective, it will be interesting to see if SL cross-gender activity has any impact on this debate
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:47:26 AM): too restricting?
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:47:32 AM): limiting
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:47:37 AM): like - everyone can't comment i don't want straight people to think they can't participate
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:48:57 AM): I was right in the middle of typing a comment!
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:49:01 AM): so long as everyone feels equally welcome
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:49:08 AM): i think i should put a post about that
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:49:17 AM): that the conversation is for everyone
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:49:29 AM): i'm sure people feel equally welcome. whether they are equally interested is another matter
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:49:42 AM): we’ll see that is part of the debate
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:49:44 AM): but it's your blog, it's there for you to express your opinions!
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:49:46 AM): i can write about that if you say that
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:50:08 AM): part of gay identity crisis stuff is that the world assumes everyone is interested in straight sex issues
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:50:22 AM): yes, I have heard that...
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:50:24 AM): and so gay people decided to have a sexuality that only they could relate to
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:50:34 AM): but is that healthy? for us a s a culture
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:50:45 AM): no, i think it's a terrible way to carry on
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:50:45 AM): or should we all just be talking about love and sexuality together?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:51:04 AM): i can understand why it might be necessary from a protective POV
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:51:14 AM): or creating a cultural identity but are we now beyond that - that's the fundamental question? Whynot just pan-sexuality? See - that is the debate - why isolate any person or group?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:51:22 AM): but I would prefer if sexual identity matched sexual proclivity
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:52:16 AM): what I mean is, if sexuality covers a spectrum from 100% gay to 100% straight
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:52:23 AM): then why make people sit in one camp?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:52:27 AM): We should be saying:
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:52:44 AM): exactly = that is what people are writing about
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:52:44 AM): "Everyone has the right to fall in love with or lust after anyone they want" HOWEVER You have to be prepared for the fact that the people you fancy might not be interested in you which isn't new for gay men, I guess
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:53:17 AM): well that's true regardless – you can’t be sure of that for straight people either
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:53:24 AM): but to be honest, everyone gets that
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:53:26 AM): YES!
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:53:29 AM): ok
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:53:38 AM): i am going to post this conversation in its entirety on the blog
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:53:39 AM): ok?
Makara Yorimasa (5/17/2007 5:54:01 AM): anything else you want to say before posting?
gabe semyorka (5/17/2007 5:54:09 AM): no this is really good